Thanks for the feedback. I'm too cheap to put 4s on my car. Its my daily and I usually drive aroun 25K a year. The Pirelli are great tires until about their half-life. At that point you really loose a lot of your grip. You can still drive the car you just need to know that your limits are not the same as they used to be so that you don't go kissing any trees.These tires are awesome! Before when i put the hammer down it would spin through to third. But now, I get a little slippage and then it bites hard and takes off. No tram lining and they are super quiet. Hope this helps!