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Pre - Cobb: Yea Baby ride it like I stole it, what you need more revs, let's give it to you..Let's Ride!!

Post - Cobb: What 10 engine knocks, which logs do I need to find where it comes from, google what is normal engine knocks, read 400 posts about engine knocks, do WOT runs to simulate, pickup a bunch of speeding fines, change logs, what a misfire, O **** motor is probably about to blow up, research misfires, pull sparkplugs, regap, put sparkplugs back, change tune to milder tune, **** now I got negative corrections, replace LFP sensor, load stock tune, what knocks increased...rinse repeat


Enjoy the ride!
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Pre - Cobb: Yea Baby ride it like I stole it, what you need more revs, let's give it to you..Let's Ride!!

Post - Cobb: What 10 engine knocks, which logs do I need to find where it comes from, google what is normal engine knocks, read 400 posts about engine knocks, do WOT runs to simulate, pickup a bunch of speeding fines, change logs, what a misfire, O ** motor is probably about to blow up, research misfires, pull sparkplugs, regap, put sparkplugs back, change tune to milder tune, ** now I got negative corrections, replace LFP sensor, load stock tune, what knocks increased...rinse repeat


Enjoy the ride!
Welcome to tuning. It's not just the Ecoboost platform being a problem. Check your fuel quality, if possible add a tiny splash of extra ethanol to your fuel and watch the spark values disappear for good.
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The Ecoboost is one of those engines that runs right on the end of knock...it will advance the timing until it gets a knock value then retard it. The ecu also needs to "learn" the new tune and OTS are generic one size don't always fit all...if you have a custom tune get some data logged and speak to your tuner about your concerns.
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Pre - Cobb: Yea Baby ride it like I stole it, what you need more revs, let's give it to you..Let's Ride!!

Post - Cobb: What 10 engine knocks, which logs do I need to find where it comes from, google what is normal engine knocks, read 400 posts about engine knocks, do WOT runs to simulate, pickup a bunch of speeding fines, change logs, what a misfire, O ** motor is probably about to blow up, research misfires, pull sparkplugs, regap, put sparkplugs back, change tune to milder tune, ** now I got negative corrections, replace LFP sensor, load stock tune, what knocks increased...rinse repeat


Enjoy the ride!
I had good luck with Cobb's (pre April 2022) OTS 93 octane tunes. I even had some success with (pre April 2022) custom 93 octane tunes.
But all I've gotten since April 2022 is disappointment, $4000 of disappointment!
Purchased all the high dollar parts and E85/NX2 pro tune. Yet my quarter mile times keep getting slower and slower!??
Save your money!
If your running a post April 2022 Accessport or even a new pro tune on an older Accessport, there's no need to purchase anything above stage 2 mods!
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If your running a post April 2022 Accessport or even a new pro tune on an older Accessport, there's no need to purchase anything above stage 2 mods!
You've made this point a few times, based on your unsatisfactory experience, which is understandable. What I've been wondering is how or if this can be verified. Your assertion is essentially that Cobb has modified their Accesstuner Pro software such that any necessary adjustments for engine mods beyond what they call Stage 2 are no longer available to a pro tuner. Have I stated that right? What we need to know is if that's a true fact. Have you reached out to Cobb?

The conspiracy theory take would be that, if it was fact, neither Cobb nor pro tuners would confirm it, since it would certainly reduce revenue for both of them.

For me, I'm just glad I still have the Cobb stage 3 OTS tune available to me. 😉
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You've made this point a few times, based on your unsatisfactory experience, which is understandable. What I've been wondering is how or if this can be verified. Your assertion is essentially that Cobb has modified their Accesstuner Pro software such that any necessary adjustments for engine mods beyond what they call Stage 2 are no longer available to a pro tuner. Have I stated that right? What we need to know is if that's a true fact. Have you reached out to Cobb?

The conspiracy theory take would be that, if it was fact, neither Cobb nor pro tuners would confirm it, since it would certainly reduce revenue for both of them.

For me, I'm just glad I still have the Cobb stage 3 OTS tune available to me. 😉
Want a real true conspiracy theory? Cobb told me that my 2023's ECU wasn't the same as the one in my '21 HPP. Cobb promised a tune quickly, that was back in early January, haven't heard from them since because at first they said they were on it, then after I inquired again in March they dropped the ECU is different thing on me, then in April again with excuses as to why they aren't even set up to let me use my Accessport even to read the gauges. As of now, I have a $650 paperweight that my car doesn't even recognize because they ain't even bothered to update the software on their end to allow it to communicate with my car. So much for wanting the last of the S550's huh? Back in December of '22 they thought the 2023 Mustang was gonna be the new S650. I laughed at that. I think Cobb just gave up on the Ford crowd if you ask me.
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Tbh I wouldn't expect the ecu was the same between the 21 and 23 on just about any car esp if new revisions models and developments are made.
Want a real true conspiracy theory? Cobb told me that my 2023's ECU wasn't the same as the one in my '21 HPP. Cobb promised a tune quickly, that was back in early January, haven't heard from them since because at first they said they were on it, then after I inquired again in March they dropped the ECU is different thing on me, then in April again with excuses as to why they aren't even set up to let me use my Accessport even to read the gauges. As of now, I have a $650 paperweight that my car doesn't even recognize because they ain't even bothered to update the software on their end to allow it to communicate with my car. So much for wanting the last of the S550's huh? Back in December of '22 they thought the 2023 Mustang was gonna be the new S650. I laughed at that. I think Cobb just gave up on the Ford crowd if you ask me.
Well, maybe... I think it took a little while for them to roll out the 2018 tunes. Or maybe I just imagined that since I wanted them.
Tbh I wouldn't expect the ecu was the same between the 21 and 23 on just about any car esp if new revisions models and developments are made.
literally not a thing changed from '21 to '23. I doubt the ECU is different too, although I cannot prove that. I just think Cobb no longer wants to provide support to Mustang owners. Heck, they even thought the new S650 was supposed to be the '23, and not the '24. Funny stuff.
Surly that's the reason it don't work though, because there is a difference
Surly that's the reason it don't work though, because there is a difference
Nope. Cobb just hasn't updated its firmware, its that simple. Cobb is failing to continue its support to the platform past the '22 model.
Nope. Cobb just hasn't updated its firmware, its that simple. Cobb is failing to continue its support to the platform past the '22 model.
Patience? Here's what I was referring to... Cobb didn't roll out 2018 support until October of 2018. Pretty sure the 2018 model year cars hit the streets a full year or more before support was available. Maybe it's not as easy as you think?
Patience? Here's what I was referring to... Cobb didn't roll out 2018 support until October of 2018. Pretty sure the 2018 model year cars hit the streets a full year or more before support was available. Maybe it's not as easy as you think?
The changes made in '18 were real. The only thing that changed from '21 to '23 is the year of the car. I've been in communication with Cobb multiple times since early January. They've changed their story multiple times too... it is what it is. I'm not gonna argue over things I already know to be fact. Like for example, the fac that Cobb didn't even realize the '23 was still the S550 platform till I sent them a scanned file of my '23's ECU. Another example? The fact I offered my car as a remote testbed if needed to at least give me the ability to use the Accessport as a gauge cluster and at least get some use out of it. Which they didn't. I had one of the very first HPP's made for '23. My chassis # is: 0027. I was the very first owner to contact Cobb for support, I was told that. And yet Cobb wasn't interested in developing even the firmware to upgrade the software to allow the '23's to even communicate with the device. That was in February. Still isn't happening... Which leads me to regret ever leaving the SCT software and devices I'd been tuning with for years to try something different. I essentially own a $650 paperweight that I cannot even use as a gauge cluster because it doesn't even recognize my car. I know it sounds like I'm trying to hate on Cobb for no reason but that's not the case, they just don't seem interested in the Mustang platform at all any longer (from what I've gathered).
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Not my intent to add any fuel to this fire, but for the first couple of years I debated about installing a Cobb AP on my 2017 vert. The car is just used for cruising and road trips, and I bought it as a CPO with 1300 miles on it and an extended warranty. Despite always modifying my cars, bikes, sleds, and boats to make more power for many years, my older self resisted. I decided to keep the stock tune and made some mild mods (street IC, Airaid intake tube, high flow filter, resonator delete, etc.) for a bit better response and longevity. Those mods were still fun to do though, and now I just drive the car, enjoy what it is and does, and don't worry about how much power it's making, 0-60 times, whether it is running optimally and safely, and so forth. It was actually kind of liberating once I decided my course of action and the car still brings plenty of smiles every time I drive it.

Definitely the right decision for me, but I still understand those with the desire to tune for more power though.......:)
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Not my intent to add any fuel to this fire, but for the first couple of years I debated about installing a Cobb AP on my 2017 vert. The car is just used for cruising and road trips, and I bought it as a CPO with 1300 miles on it and an extended warranty. Despite always modifying my cars, bikes, sleds, and boats to make more power for many years, my older self resisted. I decided to keep the stock tune and made some mild mods (street IC, Airaid intake tube, high flow filter, resonator delete, etc.) for a bit better response and longevity. Those mods were still fun to do though, and now I just drive the car, enjoy what it is and does, and don't worry about how much power it's making, 0-60 times, whether it is running optimally and safely, and so forth. It was actually kind of liberating once I decided my course of action and the car still brings plenty of smiles every time I drive it.

Definitely the right decision for me, but I still understand those with the desire to tune for more power though.......:)
Yeah no worries, you're not adding fuel by commenting. I went from a '21 HPP to my '23 HPP pretty much to get my '23 exactly the way I wanted it and to have one of the last of the S550's since I decided not to get into the S650 (due to many, many different reasons, one of which was a locked ECU). The difference in the tune vs stock on my '21 was profound. Almost as profound as when I went from stock to E85 on my '18 GT. Never woulda thought buying and trying a Cobb for the first time and trading up to exactly the same car my device would no longer work. That aside, the fact that Cobb literally had multiple things wrong when I contacted them, and have morphed over months what they've been saying about support for my '23 has caused me to really regret trying the Cobb out. SCT currently supports '23 Mustangs. I've been told by people "in the know" (not naming names) that my ECU is identical to my '21. So all the fussin' and jive is just Cobb not being willing to write a few simple lines of code to allow the '23's to communicate with an Accessport. But hey they've supported the 2.0 Ecoboost in a '23 Maverick truck (something you literally can't buy or order right now) since January when I first contacted them and shared a scan of my '23's ECU for comparison. The part that's made this test my patience, is the narrative from Cobb has changed over multiple conversations with them. In January they weren't even aware the '23 Mustang existed. Pretty funny stuff, since I had one that I special ordered in September 2022. LOL. Oh well. Guess I just need to get off my butt and take the loss and sell the device and go back to an X4 SCT again.
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Nope. Cobb just hasn't updated its firmware, its that simple. Cobb is failing to continue its support to the platform past the '22 model.
If no changes as you say were made then I don't understand how it doesn't work. A change must have been made for it to require an update to make the AP work. Be that software firmware or an actual physical change of the ECU. The fact that it doesn't work confims some change has been made..............
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If no changes as you say were made then I don't understand how it doesn't work. A change must have been made for it to require an update to make the AP work. Be that software firmware or an actual physical change of the ECU. The fact that it doesn't work confims some change has been made..............
I explained it, I can't help if you don't understand.
Then your explanation is flawed
Then your explanation is flawed
I explained it in detail. I can't also understand it for ya too. So don't go away mad, just go away...if you are unable to listen.
Given the delays in chip supplies, the chip industry's insistence that auto companies update to more 'modern' chips, the disruption to other parts of supply chains, resulting in launch delays to the S650 and a huge backlog of S550 builds and your experience, it seems likely that there have changes that have been made by Ford, that haven't been communicated to companies like Cobb.
In the meantime there have been pressures on tuners from the US EPA & Ford making their job difficult in the broader market. Cobb seem focused on their Greenspeed concepts for now. I'd like to think Cobb will get there for the 2023 Ecoboost and onto the S650 but the low 2023 S50 production numbers make this likely a low priority for them.
All speculation on my part, obviously/
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